Tuesday, July 18, 2006

Israel's Existence

As long as I can remember I have always heard, "Israel has a right to exist." and "The Arab countries need to recognize Israel's right to exist." Never have I heard any sort of a logical explanation to support these statements. I'm not really into Middle Eastern mythology and do not buy into the "God gave us this land" reason, even though the Mormons recycled the same scam a few years later. By the way, were you aware that God gave me Marin County, California last week. Swear to God!
The explanation for the existence of Israel that makes the most sense to me is the European and American Jews were pissed off about pogroms and decided it was Zion time. The European governments thought this was a great idea, too and supported the idea of getting them out of Europe. Truman saw it as a way to gain votes in New York. Arabs were non-entities back in the forties, similar to American Indians in this country. With American and European military hardware they were then able to defeat the Arabs who outnumbered them four to one. Here's the great part. They then kicked most of the Arabs out of "Israel" and disenfranchised remaining non-Jews in order to create a democracy. That would be like carving out a large chunk of the United States, herding most of the conservatives into Texas and North Dakota, only allowing progressives to vote in their new country and having the balls to declare themselves a beacon of democracy.
The one constant over the last 58 years has been the Palestinian position: "Regardless of whether America, Europe or anyone else recognizes you as a country, the fact remains that you stole our land to create it and there can never be peace until we recover what is ours." The claim is a valid one and, by refusing to acquiesce, the claim remains in force. Time only works in favor of the occupier if there is a significant period of inaction by the victim.


At 8:51 AM, Blogger Mitch said...

Your realpolitik assessment is on the mark. Ultimately, they established their existence with military might, and continue to justify it by being able to enforce its geographical existence by force. Alternately, the Palestinians have been disposed bytheir inability to control their existence by force of arms. Thus, they have two options - negotiate for the best deal possible and accept the miltiary reality, or wage war and accept the outcome.

In a realpolitik sense, the Palestinians have tried to play it both ways, with the Israeli's playing the historic role of 'useful idiot' on this. It seems that Israeli policy is now to accept that it is in a de facto state of war.

Realistically, the best solution on this is just to butt out and deal with the last man standing.

At 3:24 PM, Blogger The Salmon of Knowledge said...

A military might acquired through cushy relations and heavy subsidy from the West.


Perhaps when apologists for Israel claim that the US needs to support Israel becuase theyre our 'only friends in the region' or they're the country most like us' they mean that its a nation living off the teet of the US taxpayer.

At 4:09 PM, Blogger Bortolinius the Blogger said...

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At 4:11 PM, Blogger Bortolinius the Blogger said...

Let's keep in mind that before Palestine was settled by Jewish refugees, very few people lived there - both Jewish and Arab. Only a minority of today's "Palestinians" can claim to be descendants of longtime residents of what is now Israel and were displaced.

Plus, what really bothers me is that, prior to 1967, no Arab country cared about establishing a Palestinian state. Egypt and Jordan were more than happy to hold on to the Gaza Strip and West Bank respectively. It's just a little bit hypocritical for Arabs to be upset about it now.

At 5:30 PM, Blogger Mitch said...

Don't forget, if we really think about it - every state there was at one time or another a 'patron' of some larger power.

At 8:29 PM, Blogger Taxbeaner said...

The idea that Palestine was not populated until the Zionists arrived is part of the mythology surrounding the creation of Israel. This research does a decent analysis of population trends in pre-1948 Palastine given the imprecision of the data. Apparently there were about 600,000 Arabs in Palestine 1893, giving it a population density appoximately equal to present day Iowa or Mississippi. The research goes back to the Ottoman census of 1878 when there were 403K Muslims, 44K Christians, and 15K Jews in the 3 districts controlled by Turkey.


At 5:09 AM, Blogger Mitch said...

All this is making me yearn for the Ottoman empire again - they made the trains run on time!

At 11:10 AM, Blogger Bortolinius the Blogger said...

Taxbeaner, I'm not saying that there were no people in Palestine at the turn of the century. However, natural increase alone does not account for all of the Arabs that lived there in 1948. Arabs moved there at the same time as Jews to, among other things, work for Jews!

At 9:29 AM, Blogger The Salmon of Knowledge said...

All this is making me yearn for the Ottoman empire again - they made the trains run on time!

LOL :)

A sad commentary when present day situations make the latter days of the Ottman empire look efficient and productive.


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